In the football podcast Kick-off, Valentijn Driessen, Mike Verweij, Pim Sedee and Hein Keijser discussed the Dutch national team’s performances in the Nations League. The team was reported to be top of its group but had not yet convinced under Xavi. The discussion included the fragile defence, Virgil van Dijk’s position, whether the coach should make difficult choices, and the balance between tactical instruction and spontaneity. An unnamed player was also described as the standout surprise of the current squad. The podcast also addressed the busy fixture schedule, injuries, the prospects of the Dutch under-21 team and the return of the Eredivisie. Driessen opposed Jürgen Klopp’s reported use of the Nations League as a stage for experimentation, arguing that the competition was not intended for that purpose.