A political podcast episode discussed talks at the Catshuis between unions, employers' organizations and the cabinet about the future of social security, questioning whether they had made substantial progress. It also covered the First Chamber's debate on the budget of Prime Minister Jetten's cabinet, where securing broad support appeared difficult, and a disagreement within the coalition between the VVD and CDA over the taxation of assets in box 3 and the so-called paper burden. The episode was presented by political journalists Joost Vullings and Marleen de Rooy.