Kluun, 62, reflected on Amsterdam as it was in 1996 and compared it with the city today. He said he remembered the Amsterdam of that period only in fragments and described the present-day city as too polished and too good, using the expression “watskeburt?!” in making the comparison. The discussion also considered whether 1996 was the year Amsterdam became a metropolis, referring to the rise of young internet pioneers, bagels and coffee to go.